Magnesium Chloride Vs Magnesium Sulfate
Soaking in a sea of magnesium chloride – The Dead Sea
According to Daniel Reid, author of The Tao of Detox, magnesium sulfate, commonly known as Epsom salts, is rapidly excreted through the kidneys and therefore difficult to assimilate. This would explain in part why the effects from Epsom salt baths do not last long and why you need more magnesium sulfate in a bath than magnesium chloride to get similar results. Magnesium chloride is easily assimilated and metabolized in the human body.[1] However, Epsom salts are used specifically by parents of children with autism because of the sulfate, which they are usually deficient in , sulfate is also crucial to the body and is wasted in the urine of autistic children.
For purposes of cellular detoxification and tissue purification, the most effective form of magnesium is magnesium chloride, which has a strong excretory effect on toxins and stagnant energies stuck in the tissues of the body, drawing them out through the pores of the skin. This is a powerful hydrotherapy that draws toxins from the tissues, replenishes the “vital fluid” of the cells and restores cellular magnesium to optimum levels. Magnesium Chloride is environmentally safe, and is used around vegetation and in agriculture. It is not irritating to the skin at lower concentrations, and is less toxic than common table salt.
Magnesium Chloride solution was not only harmless for tissues,
but it had also a great effect over leucocytic activity and
phagocytosis; so it was perfect for external wounds treatment.
Dr. Jean Durlach et al, at the Université P. et M. Curie, Paris, wrote a paper about the relative toxicities between magnesium sulfate and magnesium chloride. They write, “The reason of the toxicity of magnesium pharmacological doses of magnesium using the sulfate anion rather than the chloride anion may perhaps arise from the respective chemical structures of both the two magnesium salts. Chemically, both MgSO4 and MgCl2 are hexa-aqueous complexes. However MgCl2 crystals consist of dianions with magnesium coordinated to the six water molecules as a complex, [Mg(H2O)6]2+ and two independent chloride anions, Cl-. In MgSO4, a seventh water molecule is associated with the sulphate anion, [Mg(H2O)6]2 +[SO4. H2O]. Consequently, the more hydrated MgSO4 molecule may have chemical interactions with paracellular components, rather than with cellular components, presumably potentiating toxic manifestations while reducing therapeutic effect.”
MgSO4 is not always the appropriate salt in clinical therapeutics.
MgCl2 seems the better anion-cation association to be
used in many clinical and pharmacological indications.[2]
Dr. Jean Durlach et al
Magnesium sulfate is a chemical compound containing magnesium and sulfate, with the formula MgSO4. In its hydrated form the pH is 6.0 (5.5 to 7.0). It is often encountered as the heptahydrate, MgSO4·7H2O, commonly called Epsom salts. Anhydrous magnesium sulfate is used as a drying agent. Since the anhydrous form is hygroscopic (readily absorbs water from the air) and therefore harder to weigh accurately, the hydrate is often preferred when preparing solutions, for example in medical preparations. Epsom salts have traditionally been used as a component of bath salts.
[2] Magnesium Research. Volume 18, Number 3, 187-92, September 2005, original article
Hello again Dr. Sircus,
I just found and read your magnesium cnhloride vs magnesium sulfate.;
and think it probably answers both of my questions I had concerning
any superiority of one over the other. Thanks a whole bunch for being there for those of us looking for answers.
I sure wish I had read your book on the terror of pediatric medicine
before I had children. I would have fought tooth and nail to prevent
them getting any vaccinations, especially since all the controversy
over the side effects which range from autism to death.
At least I can warn young mothers like my grandchildren to be wary of
them, which I have been doing already for quite some time now.
Thank you for your medical veritas.
Hope your friend who was kidnapped has returned home by now. I suspect that the problem was that a lot of other people beside myself
here in the states had been purchasing products from them and big pharm/orthodox medicine didn’t like it.
The effects of magnesium chloride in the body are much greater than the effects of magnesium sulfide.
And Magnesium oxide is the form of oral magnesium most poorly ablsorbed of any. Thats why they need such hi dosages of this form to do do any good.
Dr. Mark
thanks for allyour effort in getting all this info..i need to know if there is any chance that magnesiumchloride cannot be absorbed by someone with autism?i have asperges and have been taking MgCl(oral liquid) for nearly 2 years and cant see any response on my symptoms? also ihave taken magnesium citrate powder as well..after first month i had some improvements but then all the symptoms came back to stay..sorry to ask you such a question but no one seems to know much about it all, for aspergers? maybe B6 could help?.the big prob with apergers/autism is not being able to absorb properly..do you think the transdermalMg will be able to absorb into an asperger/autistic systom better because its bipassing the digestive/gut process or is the problem with the proteins etc still going to block the minerals..ps.i eat organically and do all the ‘health’ways of living(22 years) (dont even live in the city..in NZ)..i know your flat out, so if you can answer i will pass on to all the ‘others’..i really appreciate your passion and use of your intelligence to help others, and promoting integrity and heart back into the ‘matrix’,commonly known in these parts as A Good Bloke..
Yes Meg,
If there are digestive problems as often occurs in autistic disorders, absorption of magnesium taken orally can be impaired. Using magnesium transdermally will bypass the digestive system and is absorbed at a greater rate than orally taken magnesium. even with good digestive system, the oral magnesium products are only absorbed at 30-40%.
Claudia French RN, LPHA
Assistant Director, IMVA
Studies have shown that using magnesium chloride with B6 shows much greater effect and we have a great example of that in the original Transdermal Magnesium Therapy book.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, may all your wishes come true!
Hi Dr Sircus,
re: Body Fluid & urine pH levels
After reading of the benefits of Sodium BiCarbonate & Magnesium Chloride would it be wise to mix these 2 into my 2 Letres of water I drink each day??.I don’t suffer from any illness and am fit & healthy and am trying to stay that way via healthy eating & excercise.
Regards,
Howard
Hi Howard,
You can add these to your drinking water, but Dr. Sircus prefers that you drink the magnesium and bicarb separately and not mix them together.
Make sure to check your pH daily to make sure you are not becoming too alkaline.
Sincerely,
Claudia French
IMVA
[...] http://magnesiumforlife.com/product-information/magnesium-chloride-vs-magnesium-sulfate/ WAYS TO REPLENISH MAGNESIUM QUICKLY & KEEP IT HIGH: Oral supplementation is probably the first one most of us will think of. However, not all of us can absorb oral magnesium efficiently, especially if the digestive system is clogged up with impurities, or is not very efficient – which is true of the majority of the world population over the age of 30. Even when it is healthy, much of magnesium we take orally passes through the body unabsorbed, and if we take too much then even less of it will be absorbed, since it is a laxative. This makes transdermal magnesium supplementation a much more suitable option for most people. Transderamlly, magnesium gets into the cells – where it is most needed – very quickly. The most popular ways to supplement magnesium transdermally is a bath, a spray, or a massage. Body spray and massage are most economical ways to do it. Just spray or massage the body with magnesium oil once a day after a bath or a shower. Leave it on for 1 hour, or even overnight if you can, and you should feel the relaxing and tension relieving effects of magnesium very soon. Transdermally, magnesium can also be administered in baths, foot baths and compresses. For a bath I suggest using magnesium flakes as the more economical way to achieve the best concentration. Use about 500g of magnesium chloride flake in a bath, and 250g in a foot bath. Such procedures are most beneficial before bed time, since deep relaxation resulting from and increase of magnesium in the body will certainly promote sleep. [...]
Dear Dr. could you please tell me, is magnesium bicarbonate the same as magnesium carbonate? If not what the difference? Thank you very much for your time! Regards Elisa Rebuffoni
Elisa,
Carbonate is an anion, CO32-. Bicarbonate refers to an anion which is similar but has a proton bonded to it, HCO3
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_carbonate_and_bicarbonate#ixzz1I3k9sdJp
Thanks for the advice that you are giving us. I have learned a lot. Again thanks a lot.
Robert
Hi and thank you for the clarification on salts. I have been having Epsom Baths with general salts not understanding until now the difference – wow! I have cancer and have only a six months to figure this all out and get cured. Your information on magnesium could be the X factor in saving my life.
I am trying to find out where to get magnesium chloride patches though. I can get intravenous magnesium injections through my doctor but will these help?
Thank you.
Hi Julia,
Right now we are not aware of any magnesium transdermal patch that’s been approved for use.
Hello,
My naturopath is treating me here in US for fibromyalgia and erythromelalgia with IV-grade MgSO4. She is having difficulty even ordering these medical supplies without running into back-order issues. She is having a harder time getting IV-grade MgCl vials with speed, so I am using the IV-grade MgSO4 orally in water. I have titrated up to 800mg elemental Mg/day and will keep increasing 50mg/day until I reach at least 1000mg/day unless I reach tolerance with diarrhea symptoms before that. So far so good. I weigh 118 pounds.
How much better absorbed is IV-grade MgSO4 liquid than MgSO4 crystals (Epsom salts)? If I am taking it orally, what kind of absorption would you suppose I am attaining?
Thank you,
Arden
Dear Arden,
Dr. Sircus recommends Magnesium Chloride over Magnesium Sulfate. Our research found that most mag preparations need to be broken down into the body to magnesium chloride, that mag chloride is safer (according to Jean Durlach…magnesium researcher and editor of Magnesium Research Journal), and that when magnesium chloride is absorbed into the body, its effects last longer than mag sulfate. The MgSO4 liquid is probably better than the dissolving the crystals…..in order to obtain crystals , magnesium needs to be heated and this alters the substance somewhat…..it would still be good, but will not have the same effect as liquid.
Why don’t your try magnesium oil which completely bypasses the gastric issues that are the single most limiting factor in adequate magnesium absorption from the gut (due to bowel intolerance issues/diarrhea)? And magnesium oil is plentiful and not in short supply like the pharmaceutical grade magnesium preparations are right now!!
We recommend Ancient Minerals from LL’s Magnetic Clay Co: http://www.magneticclay.com/
And please suggest this transdermal magnesium treatment to your naturopath……..She can look at Norm Shealy’s study on the efficacy of magnesium chloride used in foot baths and body sprays, in raising levels much more quickly than oral preparations. Its definitely a better option until she can obtain the needed IV magnesium chloride for you.
I am currently researching the most pure and effective products to support ongoing Liver/Gallbladder flushes according to Andreas Moritz’s regime. I became concerned about the Epsom Salt product being possibly contaminated with lead and so sourced a more pure product called Premium Epsom Salt produced by SF Health Foods Pty. Ltd. in Australia. However, I have been advised by my friend Dr. Greg Damato to look at your information on Magnesium Chloride as opposed to Magnesium Sulphate. Also I just read Claudia French’s comments on the liquid Magnesium Chloride being better than crystals. My question is, if I can source a supply of Magnesium Chloride in liquid form would that be the best form of Magnesium to ingest on the 6th and 7th days of this particular liver cleanse?
Thank you for your most informative and inspiring work,
Elizabeth Crawford
Elizabeth,
There are sources of Ancient Minerals Magnesium OIl in Australia. I would advise you to talk with Jared from LL’s Magnetic Clay Co who provides the magnesium oil and flakes to our readers for more information on how it can be used in your liver and gallbladder flushes. Please write or call him , and he can give you the names of the distributors in the AU. Thanks for writing to us and best wishes with your project.
LL Magnetic Clay: Professional Service: 800-257-3315
I found your info on magnesium chloride very informative and would like to learn more about all the health benefits.
Does all 7 water molecules are equivalent present in the hepta-hydrate form of MgSO4? if not why?
how does it affect the formation of solid
Sorry Amit,
I cannot answer your question. I will pass it on to Dr. Sircus. Or perhaps someone else here with more of a chemistry background can answer this.
Hi.
I have an extremely severe mag deficiency to the point that my body is low in potassium every night and i think my calcium is also affected i am taking potassium supps every day just to keep levels norm. Mag sups made this deficiency alot worse. I am gettig iv mag twice a week. I am taking 100mg of mag glycinate once per day and even that is causing loose stools. I am very sick. I have been using transdermal mag but dont feel much different after i put it on for reccomended time. I have not had any improvent in my condition even after 3 iv of 2000 + mg of mag i think cause of soft stools. If i stop supps annd just use oil will i see improvement? I cant even breathe properly cause levels r so low.. Help need info. I had 3 babies in 3 yrs and oral and intestinal candida which iam currently treating. Would this form of mag taken oraaly cause loose stools? Been using trans mag (ancient mins) for the last 3 weeks while i had loose stools from supps. Wil that effect my body getting full benefits from oil?
thanx for any info.
Dear Leslie,
Sounds like whatever is going on is interfering with your body’s ability to utilize magnesium. IV administration of magnesium is the best it can get to increase levels. Transdermal magnesium is a close second. Any magnesium taken orally can cause loose stools , even Ancient Minerals. Getting lmagoose stools from oral magnesium products won’t necessarily decrease the effect of transdermal magnesium if used together.
Its possible you are suffering from a condition that is different from a nutritional deficiency – one of the magnesium wasting diseases where even though enough magnesium is taken in, some problem is causing the body to not utilize it properly.
You can use Ancient Minerals to help decrease the digestive issues and complement the IV magnesium, but don’t stop your current oral meds without consuting your own doctor. You can also get a private consultation with Dr. Sircus if you want. Write to : imvasupport@gmail.com to arrange that.
Hi
i dont think i have mag wasting disease cause i have had 2 blood tests for magnesium while i have had low potassium and one test came back at 80 mmol/ L and another came back at 100.1 mmolL i think the range is .70 upto 100. The test that came back at 100 was done 30 mins after putting magnesium oil on my body and i think it could have bunged up the test cause the other test that came back at 80 was done only 2 weeks prior to the 100 test.. But at least i know the oil is absorbing. I know that the blood tests are no good for mag but if i had the wasting disease wouldnt it be showing low levels on the test? I am asthmatic and have overused my ventolin for years and then the 3 pregnancies and bad diet and then being put on anti depressants after my last baby cause docs couldnt figur out what was wrong which was a mag def and then withdrawing from anti depressants i think all of this has led to my deficiency of mag. I am drinking the unique water also which has 125mg of magnesium per L. If i were to spray the mag oil into bottle to increase my intake would it effect the bicarbonate in the bottle? Drinking the 1.5 L bottles. Also being as deficient in mag could that be why i dont feel any effect from the oil when i use it. I did notice a mild difference first time i used it but was very mild. I am very snsitive to the oil and get red itching rashy and sometimes bleeding skin when i use it and also burns the crap out of me. Would that effect absorbtion. I think im so sensitive cause im so deficient. I also live in Australia and would dr sircus be able to talk with me via email. Yeah im rambeling a bit. just at my wits end with all the nasty deficiency symptoms. Thanx for any replies. Skye leslie.
Hi Leslie,
For some people it takes up to 3 months to replenish the body tissues of magnesium when using the magnesium oil. If you are getting such burning of the skin why not switch to taking magnesium baths? Its much less irritating and you don’t need to be itching as you describe. Foot baths are also an alternative solution, as is diluting the mag oil by half with pure water. When using the oil on your skin, rinse it all off after 20-30 minutes. And use a good aloe vera or coconut oil on your skin.
It sounds like a consultation with Dr. Sircus is needed. He can do an email consultation with you though he prefers to do a phone consultation via skype which involves a free phone call for both parties. You can choose either a brief consultation or a more long-term working relationship.
Yes, if you had a magnesium wasting disease it is doubtful your serum magnesium level would be showing in the normal range. Since you are getting IV magnesium there is really no need to increase your oral intake to the extent you are describing with pills, mag water, and adding oil to the water too. A low potassium could be caused by other things and could cause other problems too.
ok. Well thankyou for all of your advice. I have sent an email to imvasupport to organise a interveiw with dr sircus. Thanku x
hi
if my skin is really really dry will it still absorb the magnesium oil. Can the magnesium oil suck water out of your system making a magnesium deficiency worse as it is a salt?
Leslie,
The magnesium won’t dry out your skin any further, though some people will notice a residue after drying and think this is so. If you have dry skin the magnesium will still be absorbed. Put on a good moisturising lotion after rinsing it off.
This stuff gives me intense itches and i cannot bear it so i gave my bottles of transder mal Mg to a friend. Is there a way to calm the itching?
Joshua,
dilute it by half with spring water, rinse it off after twenty minutes, or use in in a bath where it will not irritate your skin.
I am taking magnesium citrate orally 2 (140 mg) caps a day to help decalcify my uterine fibroids. After reading about magnesium not being absorbed efficiently when taken orally do you recommend magnesium chloride oil being rubbed on the stomach for transdermal absorption to help decalcify the fibroids? I am taking proteolytic enzymes to dissolve the fibrin but if the fibroids are calcified it is very difficult for the enzymes to do their work. Any recommendations or tips for calcified Uterine Fibroids would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
Chrissy
Hi Chrissy,
Perhaps thiosulfate would help but have you considered iodine?
Based on a controlled clinical trial with 1,365 women, 4mg daily of molecular iodine quickly “resolves” fibrocystic breast disease – it makes breast lumps and cysts disappear usually within only two months for most women. Iodine can similarly reduce uterine fibroids and one of the first conventional medical treatments for severe fibroids was to paint the uterus with iodine.” http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/canada/healthinformation/encyclopedias/Iodine.asp
Get some magnesium oil and put it all over your body.
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